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		<title>By: Jonathan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/dropping-outln/#comment-42806</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just been drawn to this post by the need to moderate the pingback from Charles Hooper&#039;s blog - so I thought I&#039;d point out that the offending MOS note has disappeared. Remember, it is possible to supply feedback about MOS notes, Oracle people do listen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just been drawn to this post by the need to moderate the pingback from Charles Hooper&#8217;s blog &#8211; so I thought I&#8217;d point out that the offending MOS note has disappeared. Remember, it is possible to supply feedback about MOS notes, Oracle people do listen.</p>
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		<title>By: Stored Outlines (Plan Stability) are an Enterprise Edition Feature? A Self-Conflicting Story &#171; Charles Hooper&#039;s Oracle Notes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stored Outlines (Plan Stability) are an Enterprise Edition Feature? A Self-Conflicting Story &#171; Charles Hooper&#039;s Oracle Notes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Blogroll Report 05/02/2010 – 12/03/2010 &#171; Coskan&#8217;s Approach to Oracle</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 01:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/dropping-outln/#comment-35816</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hemant,

I think Terry Pratchett once supplied the appropriate response to this type of advice:

&quot;ARGHHHHH NO NO NO NO NO!&quot;

Even thinking about writing SQL to write SQL to drop anything that is invalid is a bad idea. (And the supplied code has an error anyway which means it can drop a public synonym because an identically named private synonym has become invalid.)

I&#039;ve added a couple of comments on the feedback suggesting that the note should be removed, or significantly modified.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hemant,</p>
<p>I think Terry Pratchett once supplied the appropriate response to this type of advice:</p>
<p>&#8220;ARGHHHHH NO NO NO NO NO!&#8221;</p>
<p>Even thinking about writing SQL to write SQL to drop anything that is invalid is a bad idea. (And the supplied code has an error anyway which means it can drop a public synonym because an identically named private synonym has become invalid.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve added a couple of comments on the feedback suggesting that the note should be removed, or significantly modified.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/dropping-outln/#comment-35815</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lascoltodelvenerdi,

I agree - more significantly there ought to be some clear and timely documentation about which bits of functionality are massively dependent. Watch out, for example, for the XMLDB owner - if I recall correctly you can drop this one without problems, but expdp and impdp (datapump) will stop working.

I think in this case you can even go through the DBCA install process and cross XML off the selected install list - and then find that datapump doesn&#039;t work.

(Someone may want to correct me on that - I may be wrong.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lascoltodelvenerdi,</p>
<p>I agree &#8211; more significantly there ought to be some clear and timely documentation about which bits of functionality are massively dependent. Watch out, for example, for the XMLDB owner &#8211; if I recall correctly you can drop this one without problems, but expdp and impdp (datapump) will stop working.</p>
<p>I think in this case you can even go through the DBCA install process and cross XML off the selected install list &#8211; and then find that datapump doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>(Someone may want to correct me on that &#8211; I may be wrong.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/dropping-outln/#comment-35814</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sokrates,

I&#039;m not sure they could afford me ;)  

But what I do is a lot easier than what they often have to do.  I started by seeing a carefully prepared 45 minute presentation about what went wrong and how to limit the damaged; and then I had some free time to play with the problem and no pressure to get a result or respond to other calls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sokrates,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure they could afford me ;)  </p>
<p>But what I do is a lot easier than what they often have to do.  I started by seeing a carefully prepared 45 minute presentation about what went wrong and how to limit the damaged; and then I had some free time to play with the problem and no pressure to get a result or respond to other calls.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/dropping-outln/#comment-35813</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Timur,

I think Coskan may have given you some of the possible arguments. In the case of the presenter it related a mechanical procedure for upgrading their product at client sites.  (A procedure that had worked perfectly well for quite a long time)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timur,</p>
<p>I think Coskan may have given you some of the possible arguments. In the case of the presenter it related a mechanical procedure for upgrading their product at client sites.  (A procedure that had worked perfectly well for quite a long time)</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/dropping-outln/#comment-35812</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Coskan,

Thanks for the comment on my presentation. I have to say that I thought it went very well (even though I skipped the second example). It&#039;s a presentation that I will be repeating at various venues around the world over the next nine months.

Warning: Although my fix worked for me, I can&#039;t guarantee it would work for everyone else. It&#039;s just possible that unexpected things like &quot;operation X happened between the drop and the recreate&quot; may make my method fail.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coskan,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment on my presentation. I have to say that I thought it went very well (even though I skipped the second example). It&#8217;s a presentation that I will be repeating at various venues around the world over the next nine months.</p>
<p>Warning: Although my fix worked for me, I can&#8217;t guarantee it would work for everyone else. It&#8217;s just possible that unexpected things like &#8220;operation X happened between the drop and the recreate&#8221; may make my method fail.</p>
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		<title>By: joel garry</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/dropping-outln/#comment-35777</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joel garry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To me the shocker was &quot;IMPACT:LOW SKILL-LEVEL:NOVICE&quot;

I guess no one ever thought that actual relevant objects may become invalid and stay that way until they are referenced.  I notice on one test db it would drop apex and some app views that are granted to public. 

With moderation like that, who needs guns?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me the shocker was &#8220;IMPACT:LOW SKILL-LEVEL:NOVICE&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess no one ever thought that actual relevant objects may become invalid and stay that way until they are referenced.  I notice on one test db it would drop apex and some app views that are granted to public. </p>
<p>With moderation like that, who needs guns?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris_c</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/dropping-outln/#comment-35773</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow!,

And I thought the old notes about index rebuilds were bad, you could rewrite that note as
Step 1: Point Gun at head
Step 2: Pull trigger]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!,</p>
<p>And I thought the old notes about index rebuilds were bad, you could rewrite that note as<br />
Step 1: Point Gun at head<br />
Step 2: Pull trigger</p>
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