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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/help-yourself/#comment-52090</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Noons, that works both ways.

On several occasions I have provided well formatted, easy to read information with the pertinent details, only to be asked questions that would be easily answered if the analyst just read the SR.

There was a time when Oracle was making a point of requesting RDA reports with a new SR - I dutifully would install RDA and upload the report.
RDA reports are very informative, but again there would be questions (that were wasting time) that could have easily been answered by reading the RDA report.

One of my most outstanding non-support support issues was not with Oracle, but ETrade.  
I wrote a comprehensive and well organized report - screen shots showing the problem and explanatory text.
It was 3 pages, but with screenshots it only took 5 minutes to read and understand.
The analyst just plain never looked at it. 
( ETrade BTW is the source of my 1st and 2nd worst technical support experiences)

So, the jaded DBA (me in this case) gets a little tired of writing documentation that will not be read, resulting in a positive feedback loop with negative consequences.

This is not true of all support analysts of course, as some are very good, but we all recognize the stalling techniques employed at times by some support techs.

In the example given in the article, the analyst might have gone to the trouble of providing the script, if he could judge that perhaps the DBA at the other end was not quite up to the task of doing so.

Food for thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noons, that works both ways.</p>
<p>On several occasions I have provided well formatted, easy to read information with the pertinent details, only to be asked questions that would be easily answered if the analyst just read the SR.</p>
<p>There was a time when Oracle was making a point of requesting RDA reports with a new SR &#8211; I dutifully would install RDA and upload the report.<br />
RDA reports are very informative, but again there would be questions (that were wasting time) that could have easily been answered by reading the RDA report.</p>
<p>One of my most outstanding non-support support issues was not with Oracle, but ETrade.<br />
I wrote a comprehensive and well organized report &#8211; screen shots showing the problem and explanatory text.<br />
It was 3 pages, but with screenshots it only took 5 minutes to read and understand.<br />
The analyst just plain never looked at it.<br />
( ETrade BTW is the source of my 1st and 2nd worst technical support experiences)</p>
<p>So, the jaded DBA (me in this case) gets a little tired of writing documentation that will not be read, resulting in a positive feedback loop with negative consequences.</p>
<p>This is not true of all support analysts of course, as some are very good, but we all recognize the stalling techniques employed at times by some support techs.</p>
<p>In the example given in the article, the analyst might have gone to the trouble of providing the script, if he could judge that perhaps the DBA at the other end was not quite up to the task of doing so.</p>
<p>Food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/help-yourself/#comment-52084</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vijay,

It&#039;s on my todo list.
In the meantime, &lt;a href=&quot;https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&amp;hl=en#!topic/comp.databases.oracle.server/pZrH_-CyrCs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;here&#039;s a link&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; to a recent Google Groups (Usenet newsgroups as was) item from Mladen Gogala that captures a good overview, and includes a link to an article that might help.  And here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.antognini.ch/2008/09/bloom-filters/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;a link to a note from Christian Antognini &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;that introduces a paper he wrote on the subject some time ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vijay,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s on my todo list.<br />
In the meantime, <a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&amp;hl=en#!topic/comp.databases.oracle.server/pZrH_-CyrCs" rel="nofollow"><em><strong>here&#8217;s a link</strong></em></a> to a recent Google Groups (Usenet newsgroups as was) item from Mladen Gogala that captures a good overview, and includes a link to an article that might help.  And here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.antognini.ch/2008/09/bloom-filters/" rel="nofollow"><em><strong>a link to a note from Christian Antognini </strong></em></a>that introduces a paper he wrote on the subject some time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Noons,

And Oracle are trying to make it easier to help them help us with the &quot;Test Case Builder&quot;.
For reference - there&#039;s a little write up and a couple of links &lt;a href=&quot;http://decipherinfosys.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/sql-test-case-builder-in-oracle-11g-and-10204/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;at this URL&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noons,</p>
<p>And Oracle are trying to make it easier to help them help us with the &#8220;Test Case Builder&#8221;.<br />
For reference &#8211; there&#8217;s a little write up and a couple of links <a href="http://decipherinfosys.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/sql-test-case-builder-in-oracle-11g-and-10204/" rel="nofollow"><em><strong>at this URL</strong></em></a>. </p>
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		<title>By: Vijay Manthena</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/help-yourself/#comment-51106</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vijay Manthena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 05:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jonathan,

    Would you please consider writing something about bloom filters and how they are implemented in Oracle. 

Kind Regards]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>    Would you please consider writing something about bloom filters and how they are implemented in Oracle. </p>
<p>Kind Regards</p>
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		<title>By: jgarry</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/help-yourself/#comment-51054</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would probably help if such instructions were in the FAQ.  The fixed format style you mention is all that is in the FAQ.  I don&#039;t think the (otherwise excellent) BluShadow&#039;s How To posts says what you suggest either, and it&#039;s buried in a comment in Randolf&#039;s.  It&#039;s easy to think they only apply to the sql/pl sql forum since that&#039;s where they are.

Even saying &quot;make it so you could read it&quot; is a bit suspect - not everyone has gone through British schooling.  Some people are well practiced at reading output that is &lt;a href=&quot;http://dalek77.webs.com/daleklanguage.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dalek Ecrin&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would probably help if such instructions were in the FAQ.  The fixed format style you mention is all that is in the FAQ.  I don&#8217;t think the (otherwise excellent) BluShadow&#8217;s How To posts says what you suggest either, and it&#8217;s buried in a comment in Randolf&#8217;s.  It&#8217;s easy to think they only apply to the sql/pl sql forum since that&#8217;s where they are.</p>
<p>Even saying &#8220;make it so you could read it&#8221; is a bit suspect &#8211; not everyone has gone through British schooling.  Some people are well practiced at reading output that is <a href="http://dalek77.webs.com/daleklanguage.htm" rel="nofollow">Dalek Ecrin</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Noons</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/help-yourself/#comment-51052</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Noons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent subject, Jonathan.  Thanks for bringing this up.  Indeed, there should be an (unwritten?) rule to provide better information when asking for help. 
As an example: a lot of folks complain about the time it takes to resolve issues with Oracle support.  If only they provided more information upfront then maybe things would be easier/faster?  
I&#039;ve now made it a point to add upfront the output of an &quot;opatch lsinventory&quot; to every SR I open with MOS.  It&#039;s simple and fast and provides straight away all the info a support person needs to get a proper context for further problem analysis. It&#039;s the little things that count!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent subject, Jonathan.  Thanks for bringing this up.  Indeed, there should be an (unwritten?) rule to provide better information when asking for help.<br />
As an example: a lot of folks complain about the time it takes to resolve issues with Oracle support.  If only they provided more information upfront then maybe things would be easier/faster?<br />
I&#8217;ve now made it a point to add upfront the output of an &#8220;opatch lsinventory&#8221; to every SR I open with MOS.  It&#8217;s simple and fast and provides straight away all the info a support person needs to get a proper context for further problem analysis. It&#8217;s the little things that count!</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/help-yourself/#comment-51048</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a similar vein, when someone has posted a problem, I have asked for reproducible test cases where the situation warrants, mostly with SQL and PL/SQL related questions.
I&#039;ve found from my own experience that when I do that myself, I sometimes get a better understanding of the problem, and answer the question myself.

If unable to create a reproducible test case, it usually means I don&#039;t fully understand the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a similar vein, when someone has posted a problem, I have asked for reproducible test cases where the situation warrants, mostly with SQL and PL/SQL related questions.<br />
I&#8217;ve found from my own experience that when I do that myself, I sometimes get a better understanding of the problem, and answer the question myself.</p>
<p>If unable to create a reproducible test case, it usually means I don&#8217;t fully understand the problem.</p>
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