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		<title>Comment on Blog Roll by Krish</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/blog-roll/#comment-31445</link>
		<dc:creator>Krish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jonathan for the update.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient History by Polarski Bernard</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/ancient-history/#comment-31440</link>
		<dc:creator>Polarski Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humm... is that enough material to demonstrate correlation between "Buffer hit ratio" and "tablespace fragmentations"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humm&#8230; is that enough material to demonstrate correlation between &#8220;Buffer hit ratio&#8221; and &#8220;tablespace fragmentations&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Index Operations by Sundar</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2006/12/15/index-operations/#comment-31438</link>
		<dc:creator>Sundar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

    I do have similar issue in my db that went live this week,  except that the table is a partitioned table partitioned by a TIMESTAMP column (10G Rel 2) called TIME_IN . 

   I use the order by and “rownum” to fetch the first 10 rows. It works fine and gives me the result in less than a mille second if I keep a global index on the TIME_IN column. When I convert it into a local index, it takes one full minute. It is not performing index walking anymore.

The table has about 27 million rows in the table and we expect about 35 million per week. Our system went live just this week 

 Is there any explanation for this?

Thanks
Sundar R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>    I do have similar issue in my db that went live this week,  except that the table is a partitioned table partitioned by a TIMESTAMP column (10G Rel 2) called TIME_IN . </p>
<p>   I use the order by and “rownum” to fetch the first 10 rows. It works fine and gives me the result in less than a mille second if I keep a global index on the TIME_IN column. When I convert it into a local index, it takes one full minute. It is not performing index walking anymore.</p>
<p>The table has about 27 million rows in the table and we expect about 35 million per week. Our system went live just this week </p>
<p> Is there any explanation for this?</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Sundar R</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient History by Connor</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/ancient-history/#comment-31437</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can't remember the precise date, but Dave Ensor came out to Oz in the mid 90's and did a similar talk - something like '20 stupid things people do'....As I ticked off around 17 of the 20 as things I was regularly doing, I decided it might be time to learn a little more :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t remember the precise date, but Dave Ensor came out to Oz in the mid 90&#8217;s and did a similar talk - something like &#8216;20 stupid things people do&#8217;&#8230;.As I ticked off around 17 of the 20 as things I was regularly doing, I decided it might be time to learn a little more <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient History by Jonathan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/ancient-history/#comment-31436</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel,
The presentation was 45 minutes, and apart from the introduction, background and conclusion there are only seven slides. That makes the slides very sparse talking points - so I'm not keen to post the presentation as someone's bound to misinterpret it.  (How long do you think it's going to be before someone cites the title from this slide without reading the rest of the note ?)

The comments I chose to discuss were:


&lt;blockquote&gt;1)	Objects should be compressed to one extent
2)	Fragmented tablespaces are bad
3)	Raw disks improve performance
4)	Raw disk is hard to handle
5)	Tablescans are bad
6)	Foreign keys need to be indexed
7)	Every site needs a full-time DBA&lt;/blockquote&gt;


In outline, omitting a few of the details and caveats, the comments that went with them were along the lines of:


&lt;blockquote&gt;1) Waste of time (unless you were still running 5.1)

2) Doesn't happen if you set things up properly

3) Maybe/Maybe not - depending on the quality your application design and code. (The discussions would probably be about direct I/O - in it's various forms - now).

4) Not with logical volume managers (which had been around for a few years by then). (I don't think anyone would bother to make this remark nowadays).

5) Not necessarily (This still has to be explained fairly frequently !)

6) Not necessarily (This still has to be explained fairly frequently !)

7) Times and working envirnoments change, but the point I was making with this one was that if a DBA doesn't have to spend all their time dealing with design and coding errors, they can keep an eye on quite a lot of databases. At the time I was suggesting a couple of hours per week. (Funnily enough, the notes that go with that slide say that one of the things a DBA may have to do is an &lt;strong&gt;occasional&lt;/strong&gt; index rebuild).&lt;/blockquote&gt;



The closing slide was a bit of a classic, it said:


&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;"If it's going to make a big difference, don't believe it until you've proved it."&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If I were to present that last slide today, I'd probably change it to "If it's &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;supposed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; to make a big difference ...".

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel,<br />
The presentation was 45 minutes, and apart from the introduction, background and conclusion there are only seven slides. That makes the slides very sparse talking points - so I&#8217;m not keen to post the presentation as someone&#8217;s bound to misinterpret it.  (How long do you think it&#8217;s going to be before someone cites the title from this slide without reading the rest of the note ?)</p>
<p>The comments I chose to discuss were:</p>
<blockquote><p>1)	Objects should be compressed to one extent<br />
2)	Fragmented tablespaces are bad<br />
3)	Raw disks improve performance<br />
4)	Raw disk is hard to handle<br />
5)	Tablescans are bad<br />
6)	Foreign keys need to be indexed<br />
7)	Every site needs a full-time DBA</p></blockquote>
<p>In outline, omitting a few of the details and caveats, the comments that went with them were along the lines of:</p>
<blockquote><p>1) Waste of time (unless you were still running 5.1)</p>
<p>2) Doesn&#8217;t happen if you set things up properly</p>
<p>3) Maybe/Maybe not - depending on the quality your application design and code. (The discussions would probably be about direct I/O - in it&#8217;s various forms - now).</p>
<p>4) Not with logical volume managers (which had been around for a few years by then). (I don&#8217;t think anyone would bother to make this remark nowadays).</p>
<p>5) Not necessarily (This still has to be explained fairly frequently !)</p>
<p>6) Not necessarily (This still has to be explained fairly frequently !)</p>
<p>7) Times and working envirnoments change, but the point I was making with this one was that if a DBA doesn&#8217;t have to spend all their time dealing with design and coding errors, they can keep an eye on quite a lot of databases. At the time I was suggesting a couple of hours per week. (Funnily enough, the notes that go with that slide say that one of the things a DBA may have to do is an <strong>occasional</strong> index rebuild).</p></blockquote>
<p>The closing slide was a bit of a classic, it said:</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>&#8220;If it&#8217;s going to make a big difference, don&#8217;t believe it until you&#8217;ve proved it.&#8221;</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<p>If I were to present that last slide today, I&#8217;d probably change it to &#8220;If it&#8217;s <em><strong>supposed</strong></em> to make a big difference &#8230;&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient History by joel garry</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/ancient-history/#comment-31432</link>
		<dc:creator>joel garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great!  Can you post the whole thing?  Are there any you would disagree with now?  Were you making assumptions about different sized data or volatility per tablespace?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great!  Can you post the whole thing?  Are there any you would disagree with now?  Were you making assumptions about different sized data or volatility per tablespace?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blog Roll by Jonathan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/blog-roll/#comment-31430</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krish,

Not this year - I had another engagement that collided with the dates.

I'll be in Dallas for Hotsos ( http://www.hotsos.com/sym09.html ) next year, though, and hope to do both IOUG and OOW as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krish,</p>
<p>Not this year - I had another engagement that collided with the dates.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be in Dallas for Hotsos ( <a href="http://www.hotsos.com/sym09.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hotsos.com/sym09.html</a> ) next year, though, and hope to do both IOUG and OOW as well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blog Roll by krish</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/blog-roll/#comment-31425</link>
		<dc:creator>krish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 08:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan - Will you be presenting at the Open World in SFO this year (Sept 21-25) - Regards Krish</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan - Will you be presenting at the Open World in SFO this year (Sept 21-25) - Regards Krish</p>
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		<title>Comment on gather_plan_statistics by Heisenberg &#171; Oracle Scratchpad</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2007/11/25/gather_plan_statistics/#comment-31424</link>
		<dc:creator>Heisenberg &#171; Oracle Scratchpad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Heisenberg Filed under: Execution plans, Troubleshooting &#8212; Jonathan Lewis @ 9:14 pm UTC Apr 26,2007   [See also: gather plan statistics] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Heisenberg Filed under: Execution plans, Troubleshooting &#8212; Jonathan Lewis @ 9:14 pm UTC Apr 26,2007   [See also: gather plan statistics] [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blog Roll by Adrian Billington</title>
		<link>http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/blog-roll/#comment-31417</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Billington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;&#62;I keep the list short and rotate one or two entries off every couple of month.
I can vouch for this ;¬)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;I keep the list short and rotate one or two entries off every couple of month.<br />
I can vouch for this ;¬)</p>
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